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Oracle Challenge - BATTLE ROYALE Match 1
From: DragonsFury | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:39:40 PM | Message Detail
Link- 22.08%
Cloud Strife- 19.41%
Sephiroth- 17.80%
Mario- 15.15%
Samus Aran- 13.35%
Solid Snake- 12.11%
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From: Mershiness | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:41:27 PM | Message Detail
Link with 26%
Cloud with 22%
Sephiroth with 18%
Snake with 14%
Mario with 14%
Samus with 4%
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:42:48 PM | Message Detail
Bleh...

Link with 27.20%
Cloud with 24.20%
Mario with 15.20%
Sephiroth with 14.70%
Snake with 13.50%
Samus with 5.20%
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:43:40 PM | Message Detail
I hope this factors into the rankings since I would like a chance to try and bring up my rank after incorrectly picking the winner for today's match.

This will not count toward the rankings from the main challenge - it will be a separate set of rankings.

You know I just figured something out. You are giving points to for every character which means you will count points 'double' since the number of independents is one less then the number of characters. This is ok but this also means that in the last round where there are only 2 characters you have to give double points, so that would make (50-x)*2. Or are you just going to make it 50-x?

The last match will indeed count double - it will use the same scoring system as the rest of the Battle Royale, and not the normal Oracle scoring system.

I'd like to petition a change in the scoring. Giving up to 50 points for each character doesn't make sense. A scoring system more in line with a normal match would be preferable.

I think there are two sensible options:
1) Make the max points for the match 50 points. This would be pretty simple; 50-[sum of abs(difference) for each character].


This would be exactly the same as my system, except that everyone's score would be 250 points lower (and it would be a lot easier to score 0 points). Since this isn't part of the regular contest, I don't see any drawback to score inflation, but there's a big advantage, which is that we can use the existing website code.

2) Since a normal battle has 50 points possible with 2 characters, this battle should have 150 points possible. So basically the given system, but divided by 2.

I don't see an advantage to that compared to the current suggestion, since it wouldn't change anybody's relative position in this contest. Maybe you're thinking it's going to factor into people's lifetime averages? At the moment we're thinking of this one as completely separate, so it won't be part of the lifetime averages.

Another benefit of 1) is that each battle in the Battle Royale would have the same weight. Otherwise, the earlier battles will be heavily overweighted.

Not actually true - unless a lot of people are losing more than 50 points on the first match, then match 1 would be costing them just as much relative to everyone else under your scoring system 1 as it would under my system. However, my scoring system has the overwhelming advantage of being able to use the current website code - we wouldn't even be doing this if that weren't possible. =)
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From: DSRage_Revived | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:43:59 PM | Message Detail
I think that it should be 50pts- the average of the sum of the differences.


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From: Kaxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:44:57 PM | Message Detail
Oh, right:

2) it overweights matches with more characters.

I did think about that when I came up with it, but then I decided it actually made sense to overweight them, because a 6 person match is a whole lot harder to predict than a 2 person match.

Sorry I don't have time for a more detailed response, but I need to take off for a while.
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From: cyko | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:51:05 PM | Message Detail
um..... *shrugs*

Link with 29.32%
Cloud with 21.08%
Sephiroth with 14.75%
Mario with 13.42%
Snake with 13.28%
Samus with 8.15%

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From: WarThaNemesis | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:53:10 PM | Message Detail
Cloud 26.19%
Link 24.82%
Sephiroth 18.36%
Snake 13.37%
Mario 12.71%
Samus 4.55%
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From: creativename | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:53:22 PM | Message Detail
This will not count toward the rankings from the main challenge - it will be a separate set of rankings.

I am aware of this.

The last match will indeed count double - it will use the same scoring system as the rest of the Battle Royale, and not the normal Oracle scoring system.

This seems like an unnecessary adjustment to fudge a flawed scoring system, really. The last match should not be arbitrarily double weighted.

I don't see an advantage to that compared to the current suggestion, since it wouldn't change anybody's relative position in this contest. Maybe you're thinking it's going to factor into people's lifetime averages?

No, I wasn't thinking that. It's just much preferable to keep things easily comparable with what we've always had. And the current scoring system really makes no theoretical sense.

Since this isn't part of the regular contest, I don't see any drawback to score inflation, but there's a big advantage, which is that we can use the existing website code. ... However, my scoring system has the overwhelming advantage of being able to use the current website code - we wouldn't even be doing this if that weren't possible. =)

Well, alright then I guess. That is a big deal.

Still don't like the current system though...but, practical considerations must come first.
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From: creativename | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:55:27 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and just so we're clear, thanks a bunch for putting in the extra effort to begin with :)

Deciding to take this extra contest on yourselves and make it an 'official' Oracle site thing, instead of leaving it to other people, is appreciated.
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From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 11/13/2006 7:59:14 PM | Message Detail
There should be a requirement to add up to 100%, its pretty stupid otherwise.

Link with 26%
Cloud with 18%
Sephiroth with 16.5%
Mario with 15.5%
Snake with 15%
Samus with 9%
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:02:01 PM | Message Detail
So we're allowed to not add up to 100%? That's forgiving, I like it.

Link 34.33%
Cloud Strife 20.00%
Sephiroth 14.10%
Mario 16.43%
Samus Aran 8.73%
Solid Snake 11.23%
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From: YoAriel33 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:03:03 PM | Message Detail
Link with 27%
Cloud with 24%
Sephiroth with 18%
Mario with 13%
Snake with 11%
Samus with 7%

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From: RPGLord95 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:06:28 PM | Message Detail
Link 24.11%
Cloud 22.66%
Sephiroth 17.23%
Mario 15.88%
Samus 12.11%
Snake 8.01%
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From: creativename | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:17:35 PM | Message Detail
There should be a requirement to add up to 100%, its pretty stupid otherwise.

I don't see the need. I was considering mine adding up to 101%, myself, because the numbers look more right to me if I bump Link up a point or two. Decided against it, but adding up to a bit more/less than 100% makes almost as much sense as making them add up to 100%.
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From: Xuxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:32:21 PM | Message Detail
Link with 23%
Cloud with 18%
Sephiroth with 19%
Mario with 16%
Snake with 14%
Samus with 10%
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From: King Morgoth | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:33:24 PM | Message Detail
kawaiifan's prediction
Link 28%
Cloud 20%
Sephiroth 17%
Mario 14%
Solid Snake 13%
Samus 8%
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SpC2k4 Triple Crown WINNER (Oracle, Betting, Spread Betting)
From: PeaceOut64 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:34:30 PM | Message Detail
Change

Link with 27%
Cloud with 23%
Sephiroth with 16%
Mario with 14%
Snake with 12%
Samus with 8%
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From: CokesACola | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:35:45 PM | Message Detail
Link 29.83%
Cloud 21.23%
Sephy 15.61%
Mario 12.54%
Samus 10.97%
Snake 8.82%
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From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:37:50 PM | Message Detail
Link with 28.46%
Cloud Strife with 20.15%
Sephiroth with 14.49%
Mario with 17.45%
Samus Aran with 8.20%
Solid Snake with 11.25%
From: Leebo86 | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:39:39 PM | Message Detail
It also seemed to me like there would be some kind of penalty for picking the incorrect low % character (since that was the bracket objective) but it's kind of late now.
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From: th3l3fty | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:44:04 PM | Message Detail
Link with 30.49%
Cloud with 22.17%
Sephiroth with 15.46%
Mario with 14.37%
Snake with 10.42%
Samus with 7.09%
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From: Camden | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:48:32 PM | Message Detail
Link with 25%
Cloud with 20%
Sephiroth with 18%
Mario with 17%
Snake with 12%
Samus with 8%
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:48:44 PM | Message Detail
Link with 28.76%
Cloud with 20.32%
Sephiroth with 19.32%
Mario with 14.83%
Snake with 11.75%
Samus with 5.04%
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From: King Morgoth | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:50:14 PM | Message Detail
A few comments while I'm here....

- The Scoring System
As much as we'd love to do something fancy, practical considerations are pretty much forcing us to score it 50-x for each prediction. We had to use (most of) the existing code (And considering I wrote a rather hellish piece of code, it's Morgoth vs The Deadline now =P) to allow us to actually pull it off in time. 63 matches down the road, it's much tougher to convince us to spend a few more hours fixing stuff ;)
Same goes for the Leebo's post up there, interesting concept, very ugly to code.

- The no-100% rule
If you had seen how many typos we get on Solid Snakes, Mega Mans and Cronos, you wouldn't want to be forced to disqualify people who mess it up adding their stuff up =P
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SpC2k4 Triple Crown WINNER (Oracle, Betting, Spread Betting)
From: Xuxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:54:13 PM | Message Detail
Minor changes

Link with 25%
Cloud with 18%
Sephiroth with 18%
Mario with 16%
Snake with 13%
Samus with 10%
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From: King Morgoth | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:54:17 PM | Message Detail
Link 25%
Snake 15%
Mario 18%
Samus 7%
Cloud 20%
Sephiroth 15%

I love how we have really no idea...
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From: Vlado | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:55:06 PM | Message Detail
Link with 31.16%
Cloud with 28.23%
Sephiroth with 23.11%
Snake with 16.71%
Mario with 15.93%
Samus with what's left.
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From: Vlado | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:56:09 PM | Message Detail
Damn it...

Link with 27.16%
Cloud with 25.23%
Sephiroth with 21.11%
Snake with 15.71%
Mario with 13.93%
Samus with what's left.
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From: Xuxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 8:57:47 PM | Message Detail
You're still above 100 with your first 5.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 11/13/2006 11:21:54 PM | Message Detail
This seems like an unnecessary adjustment to fudge a flawed scoring system, really. The last match should not be arbitrarily double weighted.

I don't really think it's arbitrary - it's that the final match uses the same system as the rest, so you need to predict both Cloud's percentage and Link's percentage. It's just that in the final match, unlike the other matches, one prediction implies the other. BUT, they still don't have to add up to 100%...

There should be a requirement to add up to 100%, its pretty stupid otherwise.

The reason it's not a requirement is that I don't want to have to add up everyone's predictions to make sure they total 100, and I don't want to disqualify someone if they make a stupid typo. You can't gain any advantage by making them not add up to 100%, so it's just easier to not make that a requirement.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 11/14/2006 12:52:32 AM | Message Detail
Day 2 topic is up:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=31751120

Hopefully Samus won't come back... I figure I need to get the topic up to give people enough time to predict.
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